WARNING: the post contains the following; double negatives, personal opinions, random bullshit – you HAVE been warned.
Well it appears to be time for me to don my “I’m no expert so why would you ask me” hat and give my two cents (or ten) on how to really agitate your tattoo artist. For my newer readers let me re-cap by stating the following;
- I am not a tattoo artist. Not even close. If I was a tattoo artist I probably wouldn’t have time to “blog” and I sure as shit wouldn’t respond to every single comment because I would be too busy being awesome.
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I am not an expert in…anything. BUT I am chock-full of bias and opinions so…yeah!
3. I am not a Time Lord. I know that doesn’t seem related but if you are NOT new to this blog then that statement probably makes sense. Which is good – please explain it to me in the comment section as I get easily distracted. And Now…
10 Ways to Piss Off Your Tattoo Artist!
1. Price check
You want to know how much that new tattoo is going to cost and you don’t just want a “ball park” – oh hell no. You want an exact quote to the penny. Otherwise how will you be able to bargain hunt by calling up 3 or 4 different shops for the “best price”?
Reality Check: Unless you are getting a piece of flash or tiny ass little word tattoo it is very hard for an artist to give an exact price. The factors that will affect the cost of your tattoo include; complexity of design, color and shading of design, your ability to take it like a man/woman, the speed at which your artist works etc. Don’t ask for an exact price especially on large pieces like sleeves and backs. It’s an ongoing process and good work is NOT cheap – deal with it.
2. Expect Your Artist to Read Your Mind
So you have this awesome idea for a tattoo and you want it to be “really rad” or “sick” so you convey this important info to the artist who has agreed to draw a custom design for you. Sure you don’t know the details or anything – that is the artists job! So you tell them something like, “I want a big-ass elephant all decorated for the circus but like totally sick…you know” and your artist – bless her heart – goes home and spends 3 hours drawing a beautiful detailed drawing of an elephant right out of Barnum and Bailey’s. When she shows you the sketch you say “Oh man I don’t like it. I want the elephant to be way gnarlier – you know what I mean?”
Reality Check: Your artist does NOT “know what you mean” – you have to be specific. Tattoo artists are not mind readers – they are artists. And before you ask an artist to draw something custom make sure you are both on the same page AND they draw in the style you like. The above example is a true story. Not only did she waste her time on that original sketch she spent another 3 hours drawing a new one.
3. Steal Your Tattoo Artists Work
So you found a killer artist to do a custom sketch for you. You hammered out all the details and he fuckin nailed it! But whoa hang on there – this guy charges like $150 an hour and the shop next to the laundromat has a sign posted out front that says they only charge $50 bucks an hour – what’s a bro to do? Grab your kick ass custom sketch and go save some big time money dude!
Reality Check: In the land of dick moves this one is King. Don’t do that shit…Just. Don’t. And don’t print images from online of a popular artists custom work and then ask someone else to copy it for you. Copying is lame and potentially illegal (some artists are now copyrighting their work). A truly reputable artist will be at least uncomfortable and most likely unwilling to copy another artists custom design anyway
custom tattoo by Teresa Sharpe; you don’t see your sketch til the day off your apt.
4. Ask For Constant Updates
You found a great artist and you are on track for an excellent tattoo – they are even doing a custom sketch for you so you are pretty pumped…and nervous. Why haven’t you seen that sketch yet? When will it be done? What if you don’t like it and want to make a few (or twenty) changes? Better keep emailing and calling because artists LOVE that shit.
Reality Check: re-read number 3. the reason many artists will not release a sketch until right before your 1st apt. (or sometimes the day of) is because they have been burned before. Their custom work is what they build their reputation on. If you are lucky enough to book with an artist who will make something unique for you then try to chill and be patient. Even if you only get to see the sketch the day of there will still be time for adjustments. If the “wait and see” style won’t work for you then communicate that to your artist so you can work something out ahead of time – or work with someone else.
5. Show Up Late – Or Don’t Show Up At All
You have your apt. all set to go but then disaster strikes – your car breaks down, your dog runs away, there is a 10 hour L.A. Law marathon on TV and you are NOT going to make that apt. Well that’s kinda embarrassing so… don’t call. They will work on someone else…right?
Reality Check: Unless your artist takes walk-ins then NO – they will not be working on someone else. And even if they do take walk-ins so what? You made a commitment to be there and you blew it off. Your no-show most likely cost your artist money (which is why many artists require a non-refundable deposit) Of course a real emergency means you cancel – but make sure you call as soon as you realize you are not going to make that apt. – the more notice the better. And no-showing for no good reason? The Devil has a special spot in Hell just for you.
6. Bring Your Posse to Your Appointment
Hey if it’s good enough for Justin Beiber it’s good enough for you, right? So bring a friend or five and make sure you are getting tons of selfies and maybe a little video to throw up on YouTube. It’s your tattoo time and you NEED to share that shit with the world!
Reality Check: No One wants to be Justin Bieber. Probably Justin Bieber doesn’t want to be Justin Bieber anymore. Don’t bring a soccer team with you to your appointment. Most shop spaces are small and even if it’s not your artist is WORKING. They neither want nor need the distraction (and the other people in the shop don’t want that shit either). If you must – bring one “wing-man” who can run out for snacks or ibuprofen or soda’s what have you. And tell your wing-man to bring a book. Watching someone get tattooed is actually pretty fucking boring.
Even Vince wouldn’t bring his entourage in for his tattoo…would he?
7. Cry and Whine Like a Big Baby
You are right in the middle of that sweet dream catcher tattoo with feathers and shit all along your rib cage when – Hot Damn That Hurts!!! Well you had NO idea it was going to hurt that much! You’re going to have to take at least an hour to chill before you continue. Or maybe you should call it quits for the day? Your artist scheduled 5 hours for your piece and you have only been there for 90 minutes but so what? You only have to pay for how long you sat.
Reality Check: If you have never been tattooed before then prepare yourself for some pain. Tattoos hurt. How much do they hurt? That depends on your personal pain threshold, where it is being placed, the skill of your artist and if you are physically prepped. Prepped how? Get a good nights rest, drink a shit-ton of water and eat a big meal about an hour before your apt. You can get shaky and dizzy while being inked – it’s happened to me – so plan ahead and let your artist know what to expect from you.
look for the You Tube video
8. Show Up Drunk
So your kinda nervous about getting your armpit tattooed – I get it. That shit hurts for real. Best bet is to go slam like 5 or 6 beers right before hand. With any luck you can sleep through your apt. Win!
Reality Check: Don’t drink before your tattoo – oh please don’t. You won’t be able to sit properly, follow instructions properly, you will get all sweaty and slick and your blood will thin. Plus your artist probably won’t work on you anyways if you are drunk – save it for after your session.
9. Lie About Your Age*
Your sixteen but there is No WAY you can wait until you are 18 to get that ‘shhhhh” tattoo on your index finger. No. Fucking. Way. No problem – just tell your artist that your mom gave you permission and bust out a signed permission slip – that oughta do it!
Reality Check: Seriously? It doesn’t matter if your mother escorts you to the shop and gives her permission in person – it’s illegal and no artist/shop owner is going to risk their license so you can have a “One Direction” back tattoo. What would a bartender say if your mom brought you into the bar and gave you permission to do shots with her? Same difference.
* OH SNAP – I got this one wrong! Depends on the state you live in and the shop’s policy. Lots of people are able to bring their 16 year old in or even give them a permission slip. Check with your shop and RESPECT whatever they tell you their policy is! (and thanks for catching my mistake interwebs – you’re the best)
10. Don’t Tip Your artist
Whew you did it – you got your next mad-cool tattoo and can’t wait to show it off. You tell your artist “thanks bro” and head out to reception to pay up.
Reality Check: Did you get a killer tattoo? Did your artist work hard on your behalf and do a great job? Do they work in the shop but not own the shop? You should leave a tip. I know I know – tattoos are expensive, artists make so much money etc. etc. I’ve heard it all before. Bottom line – tipping your tattoo artist is cool and you want to be cool, right?
Well that about rounds it up – let me know if I missed one (or got one wrong). As I am not a tattoo artist I have all kinds of time to answer your comments!
Three things that BS here. Number 1 pricing: Only an idiot would make a commitment to a tat without knowing the price. Number 2 is tipping: WTF NO just NO. You are not some disheveled waitress working for tips you are an artist being paid hundreds if not thousands for your work, don’t feel so entitled. That said yes if they are complications while getting a tat or you are a whiney sissy needing constant breaks or not holding still, then yea pony up to properly compensate the artist. The other one is bringing your posse. Bringing people that might be interested in getting work done is cool cause it throws the artist a bone. So yes if your crew is thinking about getting a tat get them to come along with some cash in case they decide right then and there to pull the trigger on a bad ass tat.
I usually don’t counter someone else’s opinion HOWEVER;
1. flat rate tattoos are flash or something similar to flash – a one off that is pre drawn and pre decided. If you want something that requires multiple sittings ie a sleeve or something big then you will most likely not be given an iron clad price as tattoo artists charge by the hour just like a mechanic – you will most likely only get an estimate – that is standard and not BS at all.
2. Go ahead and not tip – it is up to you. Tips are always optional – so is being awesome or being an asshole, the choice is yours. Some waitresses make about 50K a year. Some tattoo artists make less than 20K a year. Both deserve tips if they are taking excellent care of you.
3. Seriously? You are the most unliked person in the shop every single time.
Ten:Tipping. Yes, it is optional, and tattoos are expensive. Why? Because overhead cost as a tattoo artist is expensive. That machine that they used to give you that sweet piece of work cost that artist $600-$1200 out of their pocket. And every artists has multiple machines that do different things. Power supplies run another $200-300. Then you account for needles, cleaning and medical supplies, inks and paper towels so let’s estimate that at $400/month. That artist also has to pay a weekly/monthly booth rent which can run anywhere from $300-$500/week. So you may think that artist is making bank by charging you $400 for that thigh tattoo that took three hours to tattoo:wrong. They are covering their overhead costs and taking very little in return for the hours they spent at home designing it and the hours putting it on you. So ladies and gents, tips are your artist’s main income. It’s how they pay their bills, but their food, their way of survival. Don’t be an asshole, tip your artist.
100% agree!
I just completed a 3 session sleeve. I was charge a flat rate regardless of the time, and I was okay with that. I tipped at least 20% each session. At the end of my last session, my tattoo artist tells me he needs to book a full session at full price to touch it up once it’s all healed. I don’t want to seem cheap, but I’m having a hard time with that one. I thought it was customary to touch up free or at a nominal price. Am I being I unrealistic and unreasonable?
Touch ups are generally free but it depends on how you define touch up. Finishing the actual tattoo – going over small areas, tightening details, filling in colour is part of the actual tattoo. Touch up is after healing is complete and you have holidays (missing ink), scarring from a bad healing tattoo, missed line (inflamed skin can be hard to read and sometimes small details get missed). Talk to your artist about what this final session entails. If it is the former – yes your tattoo is still being completed and you are still paying for it. If it is the latter then ask them why the charge. Good luck!
I totally agree with you, the above said ways are really useful.One should must follow these steps before going to get a tattoo.
I’m glad to have read this. I have one tattoo already, but I want to add to it so it’s a half sleeve. I would actually (or I would freaking hope!) never do any of these things though. Most seem pretty douchey lol I see you corrected the consent point that you made 🙂 Idaho is weird though. Just like with driver’s licenses (we drive at 15), you can get tattooed at 15 with parental consent! Jeez.
Hi!
First of all, great article. Really straightforward and learned me a thing or two. Right now I’m actually thinking of getting my first tattoo in an actual parlor (it’s not my first time getting a tattoo though. I have two tats done the traditional way). So basically this will be my first time going through the more modern, step-by-step process of booking an appointment etc.
Now my question. As a newbie to tattoo parlor etiquette, would it be considered rude to come book an appointment and telling my chosen artist that I have a sketch of the design already ready? Fill me in here because from what I’ve read it seems to be common procedure to book and appointment, have the artist sketch your idea then come back for the actual inking when they’re done. In my case though, I have a really solid idea of what my design will be – sketched and inked on paper and all (I am an illustrator btw). I just don’t want to look or sound like an ass to them when I book lol
I feel like my situation is sort of like #2 on your article but the exact opposite. Because like I said, I already have a solid idea, just not sure if that would piss of my artist since it’s kind of part of their job to do sketching and conceptualizing as far as I know. I just need a second opinion on this.
Hi – Many artists will be happy to replicate your sketch with modifications only to make it flow/fit better (or none at all if that is what you wish). Before you come in for a consult talk to the artist and see if they are willing to work with your sketch. If they say no then keep trying until you find an artist with good skills who will – there are plenty great artists out there that are happy to do this. Good luck!
I had a tattoo 2 years back, it took almost 4 hours to completed the process.
First of all, I love my artist and she is working on a beautiful back piece for me, BUT I booked a series of half days and sometimes she charges me for her drawing time and sometimes she doesn’t which has me confused. As in, sometimes I come in and she’s drawing and winds up only tattooing me for 3hrs or less but still charges me for a half day and other times she will tattoo me for 4hrs no matter what time we started. Our first session I actually booked a whole day but she spent 4hrs drawing so she only charged me a half day. See why I’m confused??
When we work together again I’d like to get some clarity around that without pissing her off. Since we only have one more session to go on this I’m not going to bother saying anything now because I’m not trying to upset her in the final stretch! For my own sanity, I would like to know how to raise this topic with an artist.
Thoughts?
Ugh. I struggle with this same situation. On the one hand you want to honor your artist’s process and acknowledge all the time they put into designing your piece without technically being paid for it BUT rates are rates and you are probably already budgeting like a Ninja to afford (barely) this tattoo so those extra “lost” hours add up. I think since you are down to one session let it go. If you book future work here is the question I would ask before starting work. “How do you charge for half day and full days? How many hours of tattooing do those rates include. Does drawing, stenciling and set up/clean up get rolled into it or is this straight tattoo time?” Hopefully this doesn’t annoy your artist and gives you both the opportunity to have a clear idea of what you are paying for and what you are being charged for.
Thank you for this thoughtful response! I will definitely be asking those questions before my next piece.
You are right on with the ninja metaphor lol – what was supposed to be a 2-3 session tattoo has ballooned into a 6 session tattoo. Needless to say, my “emergency fund” became my “tattoo emergency fund” (unlike some of the cheap bastards on this thread I always tip at least 20%) as I am now $5000 in the hole and will have paid about 6k by the time all is said and done. It’s so beautiful but ???.
Your welcome – and I feel you. One day thigh piece is now in the home stretch for 12 – count em 12 – full day rates. Worth it but Holy Hell.
I had my first tattoo done last March. Did my research, found a good shop and an artist I liked. I went in for a consultation. She showed me a few things she’s done, and I made an appomitment. I asked (being totally new to this world and clueless) “will you send me some sketches? How does this work?” To which she replied “I’m not paid to do this twice!” Okayyy I thought. I don’t think that’s how it works but I trusted. Fast forward months later to the day of the appointment and I showed up. She was a good 25 min late and disheveled. Although we talked in detail about exactly what I wanted (a very abstract elephant) she asked “what did you want again?” I said “elephant”. Well, 3 drawings in a row came back a cutsey elephant with wrinkled knees and details. Not at all what I wanted. It made me very uncomfortable and I felt like she wasn’t listening. Finally, and totally my fault, I gave in and said I liked the 4th one she attempted. Not what I had in my head but I felt like I was in the wrong for some reason. Now, it’s been almost 2 years later and I want to add to it. My question is, is it normal not to get a sketch until the morning of? Was she right in saying “I’m not paid twice to do this”? I won’t be going back to her, either way, but wanted to be better prepared for my next attempt. Thanks!
Ok straight up that tattoo artists customer service skills SUCK! Although it is common for you not to see a sketch before hand and I do know artists that are banging out a sketch the day of – her approach was unprofessional and arrogant. The hourly rate includes the cost of the sketch – that is not “doing it twice” – it’s doing it correctly. Period. Ultimately she made more work for herself by not being prepared and wasted time (hers and yours) by generating multiple sketches that didn’t match your request. I’m sorry you felt like you had to cave and agree to a design you were not thrilled about – again, that is totally the artists fault. She should have been more invested in your approval of the sketch and more prepared. If she wasn’t into your project she should have declined. Now she has lost repeat business and any positive recommendations – not smart in such a competitive field. Find an artist that takes thier work and their clients seriously and good luck with your next session!
First thought: I sure hope you’re not being paid to write this kind of crap. I mean, the substance isn’t terrible, but you do a terrible job at delivering it.
Second thought: I really don’t begrudge anyone for how they make their money. So, actually, if you were paid to write this, good for you. I just wish you’d learn how to write more gooder. Hopefully that makes sense to you.
gooder for you!
I dont know how to post a comment so i hope you’re still replying, my problem lies with my tattoo artist, I already gave him the deposit in June and i waited and waited for any news. In July i called and asked how things were going and 3 days later he sent me a pic of a drawing that looked quickly drawn and said he was going to call me monday. I waited for him monday but he didnt call so not trying to rush him figuring he had a lot of buisness coming to him i waited again. It is jow August and still no word from him so i was wondering if i should just keep waiting or take my money else where
I would contact the shop owner and ask for help with your situation. If there is no shop/owner and it is just the artist I would contact them ASAP and let them know you want to schedule a session/consultation. Be prepared to see your stencil the day of and have adjustments made that day. Many artists do not have final sketches ready to go before the start of a project – but your artist should return your calls and get you on the books. If they can’t/wont then go elsewhere. This is one of the reasons going to a shop with a great reputation is a plus – they will care about customer service. Good luck!
Great article!!! Wow I can’t believe some of these comments! “I’m not tipping these overpaid hot shots!”. Seriously? That beautiful piece of art is on you FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!! Your tattoo artist worked hard to make sure you got their best the entire time you sat in their chair! They also may have spent hours drawing up that piece before you ever sat down for your tattoo. It didn’t just magically appear from your mind to their transfer! For what ever amount of time you were getting your tat you & only you are that person’s only focus & concern! If it kills you to tip someone who gives you all they got & puts a quality lifetime piece of art on your body eventually you will end up with the tattoo equivalent of spit in your food. Word does get around & nobody likes an asshole.
That said- If you are friends or family of a tattoo artist DON’T try to play the “bros” card. “C’mon we’re bros! You can give me one FOR FREE!” or “You can cut me a better deal!”, Tattooing is their JOB & no matter how much they love it- it is still what puts food on their table & puts a roof over their heads.
Nobody expects you to do your job for really cheap or for free so don’t expect it or try to get it from your family or friend tattoo artist! If you were “family” “bros” or “buddies” you should be more than happy to pay the set price & throw in a nice tip for a job well done because you know how much it helps your family member or friend. That is what REAL “bros” do! Unless they OFFER to do your tattoo for free be a real buddy & pay up buttercup!
Anyone who works in service and deals with people is going to have annoying people to deal with occasionally. thats part of the job and doesn’t mean you get tipped just for dealing with people you can’t stand or because you have to buy ink and clean the equipment. Everyone who works has to do similar stuff. All I hear is a bhnch of whining and complaining. Get over yourselves
We get tipped for working our asses off creating a one off totally unique piece of art for you, then putting it onto your body with the care and precision of a brain surgeon. We get tipped for literally breaking our backs for you. It sounds to me like you are the only one whining and complaining though, Lisa. We’re just saying that a tip is appreciated for hard work done with love and care.
They get paid for service. It is stupid you think they should get a tip. Really “they literally breaking out backs for you”. What the heck are we paying $300 for a 6″ peice for then? Maybe lower your over priced stuff and then you may get tipped. Seriously You want tips and get paid as much as a docotor. Yeah fuck yourself.
$300 for a six inch tattoo is a steal. If it is actually a good looking tattoo and not a piece of scratcher garbage you should seriously consider leaving a tip. And if tattoos are too expensive then don’t get them. Just saying.
Couple of comments and a quick question.
A: I never price shop tattoos. I have used the same artist for my last three pieces, he is great and a little pricey; but you get what you pay for. It’s kinda like price shopping a surgeon.
B: Tipping is a sign of appreciation. I tip 25% because he does great work. It’s got nothing to do with the cost of the piece, it’s all about the fact I have an artist performing permant art on my body. I want to thank him for this work and know that I am a good customer when I book my next visit.
C: One thing you didn’t mention that I believe is important is to refer people who ask about your tattoo. If someone says that looks great, tell them who the artist is.
Ok here’s my question, the last piece I got was really great and I tipped well. I’ve got several compliments and have told friends about his work. I wanted to go one step beyond. Would it be wierd to drop by his studio with a gift? He is into sci-fi and I was thinking of a novelty t-shirt or something? Wierd or OK?
Thanks andsorry for the novel
All of your points are great – you are the kind of clients good artists vie for – well done! Gifts are not weird! I frequently give gifts (plus tips) to my artists – it lets them know how much you appreciate them and I’m sure your artist will be very touched by your thoughtful gift.
I have a question. Hey! So I am working on a big piece on my leg. Usually I come in around 10 am and don’t leave till around 4. I am having a problem with my artist though, during that time they are only doing about 3 hours of work. Last time we didn’t even get started till 1240. She takes a lot of breaks, and is generally just not rushed, last time she had all the stuff out on her table from her tattoo session from the previous night she had to clean up and then set up for me. I am a little annoyed since I have to pay for a babysitter on top of my time with her. I don’t know if that’s normal or if it’s appropriate to say something or really what to say. Thoughts?
Arrrrgh – this is always a tricky one. Big question – are you being charged by the hour a flat day rate? If it is a flat day rate ask your artist how many hours of tattoo time the day rate generally covers (It will be between 5-8 with 8 being the extreme high end ). If you are being charged by the hour then you should only be paying for tattoo time and stencil application – not clean up, lunch breaks, hang outs. If you are day rate you are not getting a good deal. Maybe ask your artist if it would be possible to get more tattooing done on your sessions because you don’t want to blow your tattoo budget – i.e. this shit is expensive and I can only afford so much. If you are being charged by the hour ask your artist how they decide what to charge – from the moment they start tattooing or basically once you walk in the door. You are going to feel like a bit of a douche for asking these questions I know – BUT if you make it about you and your pocketbook and stress how much you LOVE your artists work and you are worried about not being able to afford to get the piece completed then hopefully they will tighten it up. FYI this has happened to me as well with artists who charge a staggering amount. Good luck!
My Tattoo Artist and I had a skype consultation. We confirmed an appointment date for when I was back in the country (after travelling abroad). I also put down my deposit for her to begin designing.
2 months later, she had to re-schedule the appointment last minute (not a problem if she needs to tweak designs). However, has not returned my calls or whatsapp messages for 2 weeks thereafter.
I asked her to let me know if she has had a change of heart with the designs, coz that’s fine. However, I feel like I have been cheated!
This is not turning out to be a great experience for my first tattoos.
What should I do?
Does your artist work at a shop? If so contact management ASAP and have them resolve this for you. I am all for artists not having to micromanage all the time but your artist needs to touch base with you right away. If your artist works for themselves then you need to let them know that you expect a response right away as you have paid your deposit and need to know when your appointment is re-scheduled for. Don’t be a jerk but do be firm about it. Unless the artist has a really good excuse it’s unprofessional and gives tattoo artists a bad name. Good luck!
I read someone’s comment saying that you don’t need to tip your artist… my husband is a tattoo artist, he only makes 30% of the price of the tattoo. The rest goes to the owner of the shop so you should most defenitly tip your artist! Granted once he is there a little longer he will go up to making 50% but unless he opens his own shop he will never make 100% of his tattoo. So tips aren’t cool it’s like u tip a waitress right? Tip your artist it’s deserved if your gunna be cheap don’t get tattooed. I’m all for coupons and if someone gives u a ridiculous estimate I agree to go somewhere else if the work isn’t worth the price but now that I’m off of my main topic TIP your artist
Agreed – tip your artist!
Hell, even if you do own your own small shop, as I do, you only get 30%. Over 30% goes into materials, maintenance, and infrastructure, and over 30% goes into rent and utilities…so even if she owns her own shop, please tip her!
Damn, I didn’t know about the tipping thing. I got my tattoo over a year ago and I’m not too sure if the man still works there, but should I go back and just give him a tip?
I wouldn’t feel too bad – It is not a mandate – just a much appreciated gesture. If the guy is still there you can always swing by and thank him again for an awesome job but tipping a year after the fact would be totally up to you
i draw up my own tatoos and bring them into the shop and get a price and if the tatoo person wants to touch it up go for it but it is cheaper to already have it ready basically then waiting for them to draw it up but i do agree with some of these
LoL, you think it’s cheaper that way?! if you’re a decent artist it may be slightly helpful, otherwise you’re likely just holding them back. Unless we’re talking about the most basic of things here.
Agreed, Wayne! Most people who bring designs in just give me another challenge…at best they are giving me a bit more information with the sketch, but often I have to find a way to fix what is usually a poor idea…or figure out how to steer them towards something better.
I have to disagree with the author of this article a bit.
1. It is perfectly ok to ask for a more exact price for work you are getting done, esp if you have the basic design already. A true professional can tell from the photo how long it will take them. And they always charge by the hour so it’s pretty simple to equate a solid approximation.
2. It is perfectly ok to shop around, and for multiple reasons. Not every shop has an artist that specializes in what you want or can provide a good enough quality. For instance, I have a very realistic tattoo and HAD to shop around to find someone who was even qualified enough to do it! I found 3 people. One was “celebrity” status and charged way more just because he’s made a name (his work is amazing), one was pretty cool but I didn’t think his lines were clean enough for the job, and the third guy (the one I chose) had the skill to do it from his portfolio and charged a reasonable amount. I felt I was paying for his skill and not just his name and took a gamble and was very, very pleased I went with him. If i hadn’t price checked, I’d have not known the difference between famous tattoo artists and tattoo artists with skill but aren’t commonly featured in mags.
3. Another reason to shop around is because you get a feel for the artists by talking to them. The main reason I didn’t go with the better known guy was because I feel he didn’t care about my tattoo. It was just another job to him and I wanted someone who understood that if I’m spending $750+ on a tat that it means a lot to me.
4. Telling someone to “man up” is bs. Not everyone’s pain thresh hold is the same and you don’t know what it will be until you’re there. I’ve seen big ass dudes cry like a baby and “soccer moms” take it without breaking a sweat. Stop being a prick. Everyone’s different.
5. You do not need to tip your artist. You are already paying them nicely for the work they are doing. While it is a nice thing to do, never feel pressured to. You paid what was expected and they got what they earned. It should be as simple as that. Besides, how do you even figure out how much of a tip is “acceptable?”
If they do not own the shop you should help them skim off the top by lowering the shop price but still giving them the difference… We spend our life honing our talent and it sucks to be discredited by Somone. What talent have you spent your whole life honing that will pass on to others? Or tip them enough to fill the gas tank, they have needs don’t be a dick
Not Tipping the tatto artist is similar to not tipping your hair cutter (barber, beautician, etc).
Have some manners and courtesy and tip the bare minimum of 15%, but definitely at least 20%. Standard etiquette!
Amen!
To Norman: I disagree. 1. A true professional knows that there are compound factors that go into time, such as the comfort level of the client, the age and condition of the skin, etc. I know very few artists who give package prices, most who give ballpark ‘quotes’. 2. No one suggested that it is not OK to shop around for the artist you want. You would be mad NOT to. The article specifically referred to shopping around for price. Shopping around for price shows that saving $200 is more important to you than the quality of the work. This is such a bad approach to permanent body art. 3. Same as #2…if your artist seems disinterested, run. 4. Everyones experience IS different, but I have one chance to make this tattoo perfect, and I expect my clients to dig really deep to find the strength to sit still while I am working. I have a lot of patience and empathy with my clients, but I have to focus….when someone is suffering too badly I have to use numbing cream which is not ideal, but I would rather have the minor inconveniences that come from using it in those cases than give a screwed up tattoo. 5. It doesn’t have to be a % sum, it doesn’t have to make a big contribution to the artists salary, but it is a nice gesture…I am often up until 11pm designing after a long day in the shop, I am lucky to have one free day in the week, and I haven’t had a holiday in 8 years…when someone just hands me an extra $20 after the session it lets me know that all of that work is at least appreciated.
well said! And thank you for highlighting the point I was trying to make – shopping around for best fit for an artist – YES! Shopping around to get the lowest price on your tattoo – NO!
Also something that should be cleared up to the public…tattoo shops are not like say, a service station, where you can inquire with anyone as to whats going on or what work they are doing. All artists are pretty much independent of each other, so consulting with more than one artist is frowned upon…judge artists by there portfolio and pick one that suits your needs…then stick with them and them alone. I have discussed in detail designs with someone who did not have deposit money at the time, but seemed serious so I started some sketches and told him just drop off deposit money for me if I am not in the shop. When he came to drop off the deposit for me I wasn’t there and he turned around and start discussing the same design with another artist and left a deposit with him to have sketches made. Then he saw me later and asked if the deposit could be applied to work done by me…that was a huge waste of time for me….once an artist starts drawing stuff up its pretty much his or her project. Please don’t waste other artists time asking questions about it.
That is crappy. The shop should have a policy for their artists about respecting leads etc. If the client didn’t mention to the second artist that they had started out with you that is even crappier. I wouldn’t blame you for not tattooing this person at all – no respect! maybe have the shop post a policy sign by the reception explaining about deposits and individual artists etc.
This comment is really similar to my current situation… I originally had sent a message to a tattoo artist, who owned the shop, asking if I could have a quote and his prof opinion on a simple design I had drawn up (I am an artist and it was based on one of my prints..) I sent a scanned pdf version for convenice and he wanted to schedule an appointment right away but when it came to setting it up he didn’t respond. I had no issue with this, I’m sure artists don’t have all day to respond to their emails and messages. Nothing was set in stone or agreed upon so I emailed an artist at the same shop and he was very responsive and detailed and gave me a quote based on the design and recommended I come in for a consultation. I definitely felt the difference in how the situation was handled and felt that he really cared about it. The consultation was very straightforward and the artist was more than helpful and made me feel more comfortable. A week later, the original artist responded.. but I was honest and told him I’d already gotten an consultation with another artist. My question is.. Was this completely rude of me?
Nope. You gave the 1st artist plenty of time to respond and when he didn’t you went with someone else and you were honest with the first guy. The first guy may have had some scheduling conflicts or maybe he is a flake but if he wants business he needs to try to get back to people in a timely manner. If he had already done your drawing or invested time into you that would have been different but you are all good
Okay, so I’m 18. I want to get a tattoo, but I only work a part time job so anything pricy I want to get, I have to save for. Do you think an artist would be chill with my asking for a price range? ‘Cause I normally save everything on a price range basis anyway haha.
I don’t mind not having an exact price. But a range is nice so I can save for the higher price point plus tip and then go from there.
Asking for a ball park estimate or price range is fine. What your tattoo will cost depends on; size, complexity of design (more lines and details = more time tattooing = more $$$), color and shading vs. black, and how well you sit (sit nice and still they can work a little bit faster). Explain your concept (or chosen flash), desired location, size, and color vs. black and then ask for a general estimate. Explain that you need that estimate so you know you have enough $$ on hand to cover the tattoo. Unless it is flash straight from the wall they will not be able to give you an exact price though. A good shop should be able to accommodate you with this request. If they give you attitude go elsewhere. Good luck!
I have my whole lower leg tattooed, barely any pain at all. then I have gotten two little pieces on my thigh and butt and for both of those I passed out mid way threw. the prices are smaller then palm size and I ate before. why am I passing out?
That is very strange indeed. Dehydrated? Exhausted? Coming down with an illness? There is also the slim possibility that the tattoo needle made contact with an acupressure point that caused a reaction – this is very rare and there is no scientific evidence to back it up – just people’s personal experience so….not really sure what caused that. Be careful during your next tattoo and give your artist a heads up just in case it happens again.
Hey I don’t know if you’re still replying but I was supposed to have an appt today, and I got sick. The shop is 48 hour notice and no exceptions. I was taken to the hospital and in the midst of all the funk I totally forgot to call and cancel. I’m really worried I’m not gonna be rescheduled and that I just lost my deposit. The tattoo itself isn’t worth what I lost plus more, so should I try and negotiate or do I find another shop that will help me?
Yikes! If there was ever a reason to miss an appointment that is it! I would call the shop ASAP and explain the situation – unless they are total dicks they should make an exception for the 48 hour notice since it was a genuine emergency (offer to show them some paperwork from the hospital to verify if needed). I hope they let you reschedule – and I hope you are feeling better! Good luck!
I was supposed to have my tattoo done on Saturday and got the dates mixed up, so I was an unintentional no call no show. What should I tell the artist?
I would call them ASAP and tell them the truth – you goofed up your schedule and are extremely sorry. Ask if they would be willing to reschedule and if they will require a deposit. Everyone makes mistakes and schedule screw ups happen – hopefully your artist was able to take some walk ins so the day wasn’t a total loss and they will be willing to give you a second chance – good luck!
This has been extremely informative. I have had amazing experiences with my previous artists. I have a very large piece I want designed for my back/hip/thigh and it’s helpful to know how to go about approaching an artist. I have many ideas- on paper and in my head- so I will be sure to go in with as many details as possible. I also understand a piece this big will take time.. to design properly AND to ink so I’m extra prepared. DON’T RUSH- its forever!
Thanks! getting a great tattoo is a process – enjoy all the different phases and be a great client and you will be a happy camper.
I can’t belive this post. You people act like you are god. You simply inject ink on someone’s body. It’s talent. But good lord get over yourself
Just to clarify;
1. I’m not a tattoo artist – just a random blogger. Defn. no God complex here
2. A tattoo artist that “acts like God” is commonly known as an “asshole” and should be avoided
3. A tattoo artist – like any competent professional – deserves a polite client who can follow basic rules of shop etiquette so that their tattoo experience is a successful one – AKA “don’t be an asshole”
Hope this helps!
We simply “inject ink into a person’s body”… Wow, just wow. It does sound like someone needs to get over themself(you). Our job is not just “injecting ink” ( which we don’t “inject” anything. We have to deal with the sometimes rude public, we put our heart and soul into what we do to give people a lifelong tattoo that they can enjoy. We are constantly researching and drawing to give the client the best tattoo they can have. We have to do it well and safely. We have to run a business, like any other. We spend years learning our craft. Try to make our clients feel comfortable and important. There is a lot more to being a tattooer than just the tattoo.
I agree, there are rock star mentality driven assholes as tattooers out there. But most of us take pride in our craft. I invite you to spend a day in my shop one day and you’ll really see what all goes into a great tattoo.
Tattoos are not for broke ass people, the same as Luis vuitton or Gucci, or even having the latest and best of somthing, you are upgradeing your body with art that has meaning to you… If you are not comitted then stay away from tattoo shops, this is a business… Not a flea market.
Tipping is bullshit. I completely disagree with tipping an artist another ten to twenty percent. He/she is getting paid to do the job. They’re not working for shit wages like a waitress who busts her ass for $3 an hour in some commercial restaurant. A tattoo artist charges $100 to $150 an hour for piece and if your piece takes 4 hours you’re paying $400 to $600. And then I should give them another $40 to $60 or $80 to $120 for the work? No. The artist shouldn’t be expecting or demanding a tip. I don’t care if they rent space in a shop or own the shop. The last tattoo I received cost me $400, I did not tip the artist. Yes. He was pissed, muttering some shit about expenses — don”t give me this bullshit about operating costs, you should be incorporating those costs in your price, not expecting your clients’ tips to cover those expenses.
Wow. The person complaining about tipping an artist must be pretty greedy. They just put art on you’re body and had to give it their full attention. I guess I’m just really nice for giving a $200 tip. For a $150 tattoo. Hmm. Damn.
I always like to hear from generous tippers! And I bet that tattoo artist that you styled out LOVES you 🙂 Good vibes to go with your good ink – well done!
I went to an artist who has her own shop and charges 150 an hr. I did not tip because she is not working for tips. I have a job as a therapist and set my own fees. I would never expect my clients to tip me and they don’t. What’s the difference between my job and a tattoo artists? Many people may not understand how much an artist is making if they do not own their own shop. I would tip if it was not their own shop. But tipping has become ridiculous. If you are not a waiter and get a livable rate for your work then don’t act like a dick if you don’t get a tip.
As a rule owners don’t get tipped because they do get to keep the money and not pay the house. Tipping for a tattoo is like tipping your hairstylist. Do you tip that person? If so why do you? Generally it is a thank you for excellent work and a way of showing appreciation. I agree that artist should not expect it – they should earn it with excellent work and customer service – and if they provide that why not give a little something extra?
Shop space is usually 40-50% commission. So your 400$ tattoo, they only kept around half. The supplies don’t get added to cost because they often change. “Can you add some white highlights? ” “I know you just poured red but I’m thinking blue instead ” “can we thicken those lines ? ” we can’t always plan for the subtle changes. The needle disposal service, the licensing, print ink stencils, etc. Not to mention the few hours of drawing time and set up. We don’t get paid hourly. Most artist spend an additional few hours before and after your tattoo that they do not get paid for. If your artist charged you for a setup fee a clean up fee and a drawing fee, a 40$ tip would actually be cheaper in comparison. Plus it’s a good way and sometimes the only way for you to let us know you were truly happy with your new piece. Shop rents range from 1000$ a month to $1500, paying those are hard, especially if you worked for 9 hours and came home with the pay of 4 hours. Your tip matters because people flake, months get slow. Our income rises and falls and sometimes we don’t known if we can afford our two mortgages. But we love the art and our clients, and really appreciate the extra support. It seems unreasonable but it makes then difference in our lives and our work.
I couldn’t agree more – excellent points and well said!
You’ve gotta be kidding. You’re an idiot. You pay 400$ for a tattoo.. OK. The tattooer gets half of that. 200$. Then take away cost of supplies not covered by the shop, gas to and from the shop, etc. Left with about 150$. And some tattooers don’t tattoo every day. So it’s not like theyre making the hourly rate x 40 hours. You seem like a greedy asshole. Some tattooers barely make 300 a week some weeks or less. But you won’t bat an eye to tip you’re barber, waiter, pizza delivery guy etc.
Pretty sure that guy doesn’t tip the barber, waiter, or delivery guy either.
Agreed.
Tips are not required and should not be expected, but they are always appreciated. As an artist I charge what I feel is reasonable for the piece. I own the shop but I take the same 50% cut that my artists take. Tips are phenomenal. They make your artist feel appreciated. We work long hours that certainly don’t reflect into our pay. I mean, it’s a service. A great tipper will always get schedule preference. They also get a lot more leeway with the artist on general. Everyone like to be appreciated. Don’t have money for a huge tip? Bring coffee by the studio or order a pizza. Little things go a long way.
This is an excellent answer and I agree 100% – thank you for chiming in – as an artist your opinion caries a tremendous amount of weight. Huzzah to the generous tipper!
Cool article, some good tips on building a better rapport with your artist. Happy artist = happy tat = happy customer.
thanks!
Another thing that seems to “piss” them off is not coming back for that free touch up. Especially if it’s their own custom piece of work. They want time for it to heal, do touch ups and get pictures for their portfolio! Just like any artist they need a good working portfolio to show potential clients. So take the time to go back in, after all it is free….but make sure you tip. ?
EXCELLENT point! Complex and/or large pieces almost always require a “second pass”
Yes! I want my work to look finished and polished too. About 1/2 of my clients come back for their free touch up…I am always grateful for that!
Yes on everything but #4. There should be some level of communication… Like, artist asks for you to email the ideas to him\her only to find out the day of your appointment that they changed their email adress or no longer check the email adress (they gave you in the first place). Now you are wasting your clients time when changes did need to be made, communication needed to take place in some capacity, and you charge 150$ an hour and have that much confidence i’m going to receive a tattoo the day of my appointment that i get to see moments before it is forever engraved on my body? So you have been burned before? They werent suppose to be your client in the first place then. If they are going to steal your idea and take it to another artist then they are the ones going to pay for it in a shitty tattoo down the street and you have been paid for your sketch. Why does the client have to pay for you getting burned in the past? Communication saves time and money. Just one simple…yes, i received your email and will let you know when i have a sketch drawn up will do.
I agree that communication should be more forthcoming. Many top artists have assistants whose job it is to sort through emails. Every artist handles communication differently. If as a client you need regular confirmation/emails then convey that to the artist and if they don’t follow through then you are probably going to be happier with a different artist
For my custom piece, I saw it nearly 2 weeks in advance. I went to the parlour and saw it on his screen and he placed a carbon print on me for fitting.
I never had a “copy” of the design that I could’ve brought to another place (not that I even thought about that before I read it here – I chose my tattoo artist because I knew he could ink the design he made!). That could be a good option, I guess…
Sounds like you have a good artist who is great at communication – a real plus. Even if he gave you the sketch and you shopped it around you would find that professional, serious, artist most likely won’t tattoo someone else’s sketch because it’s bad form and they wouldn’t want it done to them. Stick with the guy who did your sketch and knows how to bring it to life and you will be glad you did.
You say tip your tattoo artist, if so, what’s a good rule of thumb to go by? Percentage-wise?
The standard is about 10 – 20% on the total cost of the tattoo. Use your judgement, reward an excellent job /excellent “bedside manner”, and tip what you can comfortably afford. Oh and be a well-behaved client – you should be good to go.
I’ve always tipped at least 20%. I always seem to be ready to pay more for the tattoo I want anyway.
9 is wrong, but nice job, I guess.
True the age limit depends on location – each state has different requirements. Some are more strict than others.
You are totally right! I should have taken into account different states have different laws – thanks for catching that!
You totally nailed it! My husband is a tattoo artist, and I have seen, (or heard about), people trying every single one of these things on him SO MANY TIMES!
My favorite is #2. Tattoos are f*cking permanent. It’s probably a good idea to put some time into finding pictures of styles you like, so your vision is crystal clear to the artist.
I honestly don’t know how tattoo artists handle all the stuff they do!
This is a great list! Good things to know! I would definitely recommend this post to anyone planning on getting a tattoo. 🙂
Thanks! A lot of people seem to think all tattoo artists are spoiled over paid prima donnas but they actually have to endure a TON of BS in their jobs
I’m an acute observer of the human condition. Anyone not laughing out there isn’t looking hard enough at their fellow man.
How to Look at Tattoos
I live in Portland, Oregon. (Waits for applause to die down from Portlandia viewers.) But, I live on the west side of Portland, Oregon. (Enjoys the indignant silence from same group.) That means the tattoos-to-SUVs ratio is comparatively low. Still, I get out a lot. Here’s what I’ve picked up.
The proper etiquette for ogling body signage is as follows:
You: “Nice ink.”
Human billboard: “Thanks.”
At this point, it’s important to note body language. If they track where your eyes are looking and turn to present art, you are allowed to get your zombie on and stare hard. If they roll up the sleeve or pant leg or (insert more personal article of clothing here), you have just been invited. Now, you are expected to lean in and critique their stains with no less than three appreciative adjectives. One syllable only each, if you are from east Portland.
“Sweet.”
“Cool.”
“The snake coming out the bird’s ass is profound.”
If they mention anything about self-design, brace yourself for more body reveals. There are doubtless several other sketches rendered somewhere intimate that were put out of sight for good reason, When the dude pulls off his shirt or the dudette tells you to “Go ahead and pull the collar down, it’s a big Death Butterfly,” you must be prepared for your childhood nightmares to be cut and re-shot in your cerebellum. You now have new material. Heightened emotion is necessary at this point in the exchange to conceal either the bile rising in your gorge or the bulge rising in your pants.
“Sah-weeet!”
“Cool, man!”
“Does that butterfly wrap all the way around to the. .uh…you know…front?”
Closing comments often involve them thrusting the business card of the tattoo artist at you. Take it. Admire the artwork on it. Promise to check that guy out and nod a lot while you back away. Don’t allow the conversation to turn to whether or not you have any ink. Because you don’t, and when the disappointing information comes to light, you are never gonna see the rest of that Death Butterfly.
Wow – you nailed it. AND gave me an idea for my next post….might have to get you on board for that one
My mate (did my gravatar and my latest) has a sign up in his studio that says something like: We specialise in amazingly accurate interpretations of your dismally communicated imaginings of what you think you might want.
Another way to piss off your artist is to not take their sage advice when you’re describing your idea for an elaborate, one-off masterpiece. Once they know what you’re trying to achieve they will do their best art to make it come to life but pity help you if you’re stupid enough to trot out the line: “It’s my body and it’s my money, so you should do what I want.”
Oh god I LOVE that first bit. The shite good tattoo artists have to put up with…oh the stories they tell…
This is fantastic advice. The dipshit things people do are unbelievable sometimes. I once saw a woman trying to bring her toddler into the tattoo shop with her. The reception desk was not happy but they stood their ground.
Seriously? How was she planning on keeping tabs on her kid? The more popular tattoos get the more the great un-washed masses turn out to annoy serious artists…
You got that right! Although this was NYC Village ca. 1996 Lack of common sense does seem to be an unfortunately common denominator…
Nice one, I never know what is a good amount to tip an artist. Is there a standard? I just dropped what I thought was good at each one but never knew for sure if I was insulting or making them happy.
average for USA is 10 – 20%…use your judgement and tip what you can afford
Tipping is A BULLSHIT TREND that NEEDS to STOP in this country! I would like to meet the ASSHOLE who started this CRAP, I don’t give a fuck what you do for your money, YOU HAVE TO EARN IT! Period. I haul scrap metal for a living (barely) nobody ever gives me a tip for loading a truck and trailer full of metal and hauling it to the scrap yard! Why is this? Would it be rude to ask the scale man at the yard for a tip?
I also worked for the LARGEST tattoo magazine it the country for 6 years, I have extensive tattoos, I know all the most well know artist and I’m familiar with all the rules and how to conduct yourself at an appointment. Your right about everything on your list except the tipping.
Houston jones, you practice the talent of hauling metal your Whole life, is that a talent? Do people haggle, annoy, or discredit you… Or is it a straight transaction involving no commitment, talent, or training… I thought as much…
Awesome.. forgot to writr about wantijg 10 pounds of shit in a 1 pound bag!!
Indeed – you always get what you pay for…shit or otherwise
Good point! Know when you have had enough and admit it – been there done that
Absolutely, know your limits. Mine is 6 hours max. and even though my latest took 4 easy peasy hours we called it quits at a point where it doesn’t look half-arsed because the next section was at least another 3 hours…no point trying to convince yourself you’ve got 1 more hour in you once you’ve reached your threshold.
I went 7 hours and felt all dizzy and pukey. I can tough it out to 6 but if I’m shooting straight then 5 is my limit too. Your gonna share a pic of that new tat right? Lorien shared hers…
I would also add: Admit when you’ve had enough. One time I was getting a tattoo that took 5 hours. Close to the end, it started to hurt BAD and I got all twitchy, but INSISTED I was fine. After one more twitch the artist got fed up and told me to call it quits for the day, which was the best possible idea, otherwise the tattoo would have gone to shit with all my twitching.